1 00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:05,490 reading citizens and welcome to unknown 2 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:29,720 I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging 3 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:30,930 out with me today we'll be discussing 4 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:33,450 yet another episode of history's project 5 00:00:42,650 --> 00:00:35,580 Bluebook today but announcements come 6 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:42,660 first Maureen Elsberry and I are 7 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:44,190 presenting a panel at Emerald City 8 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:46,890 Comicon in Seattle Washington on Friday 9 00:00:52,310 --> 00:00:49,680 March 15th titled real-life x-files 10 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:52,320 strange stories of real paranormal 11 00:00:57,979 --> 00:00:55,559 investigation this event is coming up 12 00:01:00,140 --> 00:00:57,989 very soon it runs from March 14th 13 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:00,150 through the 17th at the Washington state 14 00:01:04,820 --> 00:01:02,280 convention center for more information 15 00:01:08,810 --> 00:01:04,830 about that event and buy tickets go to 16 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:08,820 Emerald City Comicon comm Shan heard and 17 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:10,830 I will be at UFO Megacon in Laughlin 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:14,880 Nevada on March 30th now this is a very 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:16,410 large event that's why it's called the 20 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:19,050 mega con and it runs from March 24th 21 00:01:23,930 --> 00:01:21,479 through the 30th it's a very long event 22 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:23,940 and it has a ton of speakers more than 23 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:26,310 40 speakers all the information for that 24 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:29,910 event is at UFO Megacon calm and like I 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:31,800 said Shane and I will just be there in 26 00:01:36,290 --> 00:01:33,810 attendance we'll be hanging out just on 27 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:36,300 the final day on March 30th so if you'd 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:37,740 like to come and hang out and meet us 29 00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:39,450 let us know if you're gonna be that we'd 30 00:01:43,249 --> 00:01:42,240 love to see you then june 21st through 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:43,259 the 23rd 32 00:01:47,139 --> 00:01:45,090 Ryan Sprague and I will be speaking at 33 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:47,149 alien Con in Los Angeles California 34 00:01:51,199 --> 00:01:49,590 there might be some special rogue planet 35 00:01:53,630 --> 00:01:51,209 shenanigans happening there with Shane 36 00:01:56,059 --> 00:01:53,640 and Maureen - we'll certainly be talking 37 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:56,069 much more about alien Con as it gets 38 00:02:01,219 --> 00:01:59,280 closer and it is coming up faster than 39 00:02:04,279 --> 00:02:01,229 it seems and we're all super excited for 40 00:02:06,169 --> 00:02:04,289 alien con the alien con comm is the 41 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:06,179 events website that's where you should 42 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:07,679 go to learn more about the event and 43 00:02:12,020 --> 00:02:09,119 it's where you can get your tickets to 44 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:12,030 an Ryan Sprague we'll be presenting at 45 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:14,910 Michigan UFO contact September 20th and 46 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:19,440 21st in Halton Lake Michigan mi UFO Co n 47 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:23,640 com chigan UFO con mi UFO co and calm is 48 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:25,530 website for that event and their 49 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:27,450 Facebook page also has all the info for 50 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:28,500 that event 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:30,270 those are the announcements we have for 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:33,090 today so with those out of the way let's 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:34,530 get into this week's project Bluebook 54 00:02:40,510 --> 00:02:39,210 discussion if you haven't seen it yet or 55 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:40,520 if you're not familiar with this show 56 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:43,050 Project Blue Book is a dramatic series 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:45,630 on the History Channel it's a fictional 58 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:47,970 series based on the United States Air 59 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:50,430 Force's real-life official UFO study 60 00:02:57,620 --> 00:02:54,510 that ran from 1952 through 1969 although 61 00:02:59,840 --> 00:02:57,630 the show is fictional it draws on real 62 00:03:02,449 --> 00:02:59,850 Project Blue Book cases and other 63 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:02,459 elements from UFO history and UFO lore 64 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:05,340 using those for inspiration we're 65 00:03:11,420 --> 00:03:07,770 talking about episode 8 today an episode 66 00:03:13,340 --> 00:03:11,430 titled wargames and as we'd like to do 67 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:13,350 on this show before talking about the 68 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:15,030 episode itself will be a quick 69 00:03:19,220 --> 00:03:16,830 run-through of the real inspiration 70 00:03:24,540 --> 00:03:19,230 behind the latest episode of Project 71 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:27,730 so the incident project Bluebook used 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:29,360 for inspiration for the storyline in 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:31,370 Episode eight it's something that took 74 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:35,050 place in 1951 during the Korean War a 75 00:03:38,860 --> 00:03:37,550 regiment of the US Army soldiers were 76 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:38,870 preparing to attack a village 77 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:41,209 approximately 60 miles north of Seoul 78 00:03:47,410 --> 00:03:45,590 when a UFO appeared Francis P wall a 79 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:47,420 private first class who was involved 80 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:49,810 with this incident was interviewed in 81 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:53,510 1987 by John Timmerman and associated 82 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:55,360 the J Allen Hynek Center for UFO studies 83 00:04:00,640 --> 00:03:58,970 here's some of what he said quote we 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:00,650 suddenly noticed on our right-hand side 85 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:02,530 were appeared to be a jack-o'-lantern 86 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:05,510 coming wafting down across the mountain 87 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:08,810 and at first no one thought anything 88 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:11,720 about it so we noticed that this thing 89 00:04:16,449 --> 00:04:13,760 continued on down to the village to 90 00:04:19,449 --> 00:04:16,459 where indeed the artillery air bursts 91 00:04:22,659 --> 00:04:19,459 were exploding end quote he described 92 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:22,669 the object having an orange glow and the 93 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:25,160 ability to maneuver quickly saying that 94 00:04:29,950 --> 00:04:27,410 it quote could get into the center of an 95 00:04:33,250 --> 00:04:29,960 air burst of artillery and yet remain 96 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:33,260 unharmed unquote after a span of 45 97 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:34,400 minutes to an hour 98 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:36,950 he says the UFO approached his regiment 99 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:40,550 and as it did it changed color from that 100 00:04:46,810 --> 00:04:43,490 glowing orange to a brilliant blue green 101 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:46,820 and the light was now pulsing all 102 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:49,610 explained quote I asked for and received 103 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:51,470 permission from lieutenant Evans our 104 00:04:56,590 --> 00:04:53,690 company commander at the time to fire 105 00:04:59,650 --> 00:04:56,600 upon this object which I did with an m1 106 00:05:02,440 --> 00:04:59,660 rifle with armor-piercing bullets and I 107 00:05:04,090 --> 00:05:02,450 did hit it it must have been metallic 108 00:05:05,830 --> 00:05:04,100 because you could hear when the 109 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:05,840 projectile slammed into it 110 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:09,320 unquote sounds like a pretty wimpy UFO 111 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:09,890 right 112 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:12,710 that's what wall thoughts you you stated 113 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:15,950 quote now why would that bullet damage 114 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:16,970 this craft 115 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:19,280 if the artillery rounds didn't I don't 116 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:21,260 know unless they had dropped their 117 00:05:28,090 --> 00:05:24,080 protective field around them or whatever 118 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:28,100 but the object went wild and the light 119 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:30,800 was going on and off it went off 120 00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:33,289 completely once briefly 121 00:05:37,359 --> 00:05:35,300 it was moving a radically from side to 122 00:05:41,829 --> 00:05:37,369 side as though it might crash to the 123 00:05:44,559 --> 00:05:41,839 ground then a sound we'd heard no sound 124 00:05:47,829 --> 00:05:44,569 previous to this the sound of like 125 00:05:50,409 --> 00:05:47,839 diesel locomotives revving up that's the 126 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:50,419 way this thing sounded in quote at this 127 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:52,610 point walk claimed he and the soldiers 128 00:05:58,659 --> 00:05:55,849 were attacked by the UFO he described 129 00:06:02,290 --> 00:05:58,669 quote we were swept by some form of a 130 00:06:05,170 --> 00:06:02,300 ray that was emitted in pulses in waves 131 00:06:07,809 --> 00:06:05,180 that you could visually see only when it 132 00:06:10,719 --> 00:06:07,819 was aiming directly at you that is to 133 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:10,729 say like a searchlight sweeps around and 134 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:13,490 you could see it coming at you now you 135 00:06:18,730 --> 00:06:16,219 would feel a burning tingling sensation 136 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:18,740 all over your body as though something 137 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:22,610 were penetrating you in quote also that 138 00:06:27,429 --> 00:06:24,110 the company commander ordered everyone 139 00:06:28,989 --> 00:06:27,439 into the bunkers from there he said that 140 00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:28,999 he watched the UFO through the bunkers 141 00:06:33,609 --> 00:06:31,520 peepholes he could see the object 142 00:06:36,070 --> 00:06:33,619 hovering over the area for a while 143 00:06:38,679 --> 00:06:36,080 before it illuminated the whole area 144 00:06:41,459 --> 00:06:38,689 with its lights and it shot off at a 145 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:41,469 45-degree angle at incredible speed 146 00:06:45,790 --> 00:06:44,209 disappearing completely from sight Wahl 147 00:06:48,009 --> 00:06:45,800 claimed that the entire company had to 148 00:06:50,799 --> 00:06:48,019 be evacuated by ambulance three days 149 00:06:54,219 --> 00:06:50,809 later because everybody was too weak to 150 00:06:57,249 --> 00:06:54,229 walk and suffering from dysentery with 151 00:06:59,199 --> 00:06:57,259 his case we have walls testimony but 152 00:07:01,839 --> 00:06:59,209 that's pretty much it there aren't any 153 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:01,849 other corroborating accounts from other 154 00:07:08,049 --> 00:07:04,969 fellow soldiers that we know of and this 155 00:07:10,029 --> 00:07:08,059 case predates Project Blue Book so it 156 00:07:12,549 --> 00:07:10,039 didn't investigate this case but that 157 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:12,559 doesn't mean it wasn't investigated it's 158 00:07:16,059 --> 00:07:14,240 also not surprising that other soldiers 159 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:16,069 didn't report this incident that we know 160 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:19,550 of well explained quote now in the 161 00:07:25,299 --> 00:07:22,490 military especially the army each day 162 00:07:28,389 --> 00:07:25,309 you file a company report we had a 163 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:28,399 confab about that do we file it in the 164 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:32,379 report or not and the consensus was no 165 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:35,449 because it lock every one of us up and 166 00:07:40,989 --> 00:07:39,050 think that we were crazy at that time no 167 00:07:41,730 --> 00:07:40,999 such thing as a UFO had ever been heard 168 00:07:44,990 --> 00:07:41,740 of 169 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:45,000 and we didn't know what it was unquote 170 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:47,050 now let's shift to the shows 171 00:07:52,890 --> 00:07:49,810 representation of this case I'll be 172 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:52,900 honest I'm surprised to see that for two 173 00:07:58,500 --> 00:07:55,870 weeks in a row we see the show giving us 174 00:08:00,720 --> 00:07:58,510 a secret military project mistaken for a 175 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:00,730 UFO event I didn't expect to see that 176 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:04,150 the episode has this UFO event taking 177 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:05,230 place in Missouri 178 00:08:09,450 --> 00:08:08,110 rather than Korea and that makes it a 179 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:09,460 little easier for the show's characters 180 00:08:14,610 --> 00:08:11,800 Quinn and Hynek to investigate the 181 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:14,620 incident but we see the soldiers 182 00:08:18,570 --> 00:08:16,360 suffering psychological effects 183 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:18,580 seemingly resulting from contact with 184 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:22,960 the UFOs hallucinations paranoia fear 185 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:26,140 and we ultimately learn that these UFOs 186 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:28,030 the soldiers encountered were part of a 187 00:08:32,180 --> 00:08:30,790 military experiment to test this gas on 188 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:32,190 its own soldiers 189 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:34,090 that's one suspected possible 190 00:08:39,210 --> 00:08:36,400 explanation for the 1951 incident in 191 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:39,220 Korea and that's certainly something the 192 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:42,370 military has done in real life with the 193 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:43,930 project Bluebook episode certainly 194 00:08:49,350 --> 00:08:45,640 emphasized the hallucinations in 195 00:08:51,450 --> 00:08:49,360 paranoia and added a stunning visual of 196 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:51,460 thousands of birds dropping dead out of 197 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:54,130 the sky these weren't associated with 198 00:08:58,340 --> 00:08:56,290 the Korea incident but they worked well 199 00:09:01,200 --> 00:08:58,350 in the fictional story for the show 200 00:09:02,670 --> 00:09:01,210 we're down to the home stretch only two 201 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:02,680 more episodes of Project Blue Book 202 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:05,590 remain this season episode 9 a project 203 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:07,960 Bluebook airs on March 5th and that 204 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:11,410 episode is simply titled abduction I'm 205 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:13,060 looking forward to seeing what Project 206 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:18,910 Blue Book does with that topic well 207 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:20,460 citizens as we wrap up this episode 208 00:09:24,410 --> 00:09:22,510 invite you to come join us in the broke 209 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:24,420 planet Facebook group at facebook.com 210 00:09:30,060 --> 00:09:28,060 slash groups slash rogue planet let us 211 00:09:31,740 --> 00:09:30,070 know what you thought of this episode of 212 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:31,750 Project Blue 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planet 241 00:10:42,050 --> 00:10:39,180 Eire caleb hanks for the show's intro 242 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:42,060 and outro music i got all his work at 243 00:10:47,150 --> 00:10:45,300 the clerk chronicles calm thanks again 244 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:47,160 for hanging out with us today I'm Jason 245 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:49,800 McClellan do us a favor friends always 246 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:51,450 treat the UFO subject with the cautious 247 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:53,100 and responsible skepticism it deserves 248 00:10:58,220 --> 00:10:55,440 question everything have the courage to 249 00:11:00,110 --> 00:10:58,230 form your own opinions the truth as the 250 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:00,120 focus of your quest even if the truth 251 00:11:04,770 --> 00:11:02,730 inflicts with your opinions and of